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[00:00:03] We learned at the end of the first perek that although in general one is allowed to separate challah from one do on behalf of another dough, as well, as long as you separate enough of the dough so it covers both of the do's. Nevertheless, we learned that if one of the doughs is toho and one is, then you cannot separate from one on behalf of the other. And the reason for this is because when one does separate from one pile of produce or one dough on behalf of another, they need to be very close to each other. That's known as minhamuk. And we're concerned that since one of the do's is to and the other one is toar, he won't want to bring them close to each other. And it'll end up separating, let's say, from the pure one on behalf of the impure one, but the impure one will be near it and say they would have violated the halacha of Minhamukov, that both those need to be close to each other when khal is being separated from one on behalf of the other rebel. And our Mishnah will argue with that. Mishnah rebel says can be separated from a tahoe dough on behalf of a tommy dough. Rib is not concerned that you'll come to separate the when the tommy one is not near the taharan. And this is because kad, how would it be separated?
[00:01:12] You've got a pure piece of dough and an impure piece of dough. And just like in a regular case, you would take the amount which has to be separated as khala from both of the doughs. You would take that from the pure dough from which challah has not yet been separated. And here's the point.
[00:01:32] And you put another piece of dough. So a third piece of dough which is smaller than the size of an egg, you put that in the middle of the toha and the tome dough. So the tome dough is touching this dough on one side, and the toho dough is touching it on the other side. So that means that they are certainly minamukoff now. And the reason why the middle piece of dough has to be smaller than the size of an egg is because in order for food to make other things tome, it has to be the size of an egg. Now, the tome dough is touching this piece of dough in the middle, which means that it makes the piece of dough to that middle piece of dough was the size of an egg, then it would transmit its tuma from itself onto the tahar dough. And that's certainly not an outcome which we would like. And therefore we make sure that the middle piece of dough is smaller than a kabitza, smaller than the size of an egg, so that the tor dough does not become tommy. And this way says this is in order that you do separate the challah from the tor dough on behalf of the tome dough. And you do it.
[00:02:30] You do it when they are close to each other, in fact, right next to each other. Nevertheless, the mishnah end by telling us that still forbid it, since they are still concerned that people won't follow this whole procedure because they'll be afraid of the touching the tohar one, so people will still end up not separating him in hamukaf. And therefore, according to the chachomim, you should just separate halo from the toharan by itself and the to by itself separately, just like with regards to tithes, produce only becomes obligated once its processing has been completed, for example, once it's all been piled up or once fruit has been dried properly. The same applies to dough and challah. It only becomes obligated in challah once it's turned into proper dough. And so midu ricer, one can eat however much he likes from the flour and from the dough until it has been kneaded properly. Now, mujabona, one can't have a proper meal which is set and fixed from the dough even before it's kneaded, because if you do that, then you're likely to come to make the dough smaller than the minimum size to be obligated in challah, and you'll end up not separating challah because of that. And so with jabbonnon, you can only eat the dough as a sort of snack.
[00:03:39] One can eat it in a temporary manner. Minot isa from the dough until it has been kneaded very well. If the dough is made out of wheat dough made out of wheat, as soon as you've kneaded it properly, it turns into one solid dough, and that is considered the completion of its processing into dough. And as such will be obligated in challah. Now, when it comes to other grains, the dough doesn't solidify and the flour doesn't stick to each other as quickly or easily. And therefore it's only considered properly turned into dough and kneaded once you press it very hard, hard. So even after you knead the flour and the water together, you would continue pressing very hard on the dough until it does stick together better, and that is known as timtum. So once you have done that, you've pressed the dough very hard. If the dough is made out of barley or another grain other than wheat, so that is when it's considered proper dough and as such will be obligated in challah. And from that point onwards, once he has kneaded it properly with regards to wheat and he's pressed the dough, if it's made out of barley, then somebody who eats part of that dough even as a snack, is liable to the death penalty. From hashem. Hashem will deliver the death penalty because that is considered to be tevel, which is the name for produce or dough from which all the gifts have not been separated. And the punishment for eating that is misa. Now, although Madurai saw the real time to separate the challah from the dough is only once it's kneaded properly, that's when it becomes a literal obligation. How everyone is also able to separate it as soon as the water is added to the flour and mixed together, even if it hasn't yet been kneaded. So it's not all one solid dough and one piece, but most of the flour is mixed with the water. Now, with jabon, this is actually the ideal time to separate the challah. The reason being that if you wait longer until it's kneaded, that means we're giving it more time for it to become tome, possibly making it more likely that the challah will be tome and so it will have to be burnt. And therefore, estimation of kivan Shina Sen Samayim as, as she adds the water to the flour, and she started mixing the water and the flour magbas khalasa, she should separate the challah at that point to avoid any chance of the challah becoming tome, the dough becoming tommy, and then therefore the challah. But the misha does say as long as there is not at least 5 of flour which hasn't yet been mixed with the water, because since 5 lo is the minimum amount for it to be obligated in challah. So if there's that amount of flour which hasn't yet been mixed with the water, then it's considered totally separate from that which has been mixed with the water, because that's considered a very significant amount. So for the challah to cover you for the whole dough, to exempt the whole dough, you have to make sure that it has been mixed with the flour at least somewhat. So as soon as there is less than 5 loyg of flour which hasn't been mixed with the water, the challah should be separated so that there is no chance of the dough becoming tome before the challah is separated. Mishnah beitz. The maduma is a mixture of truma or challah mixed with chulin, when there is not at least a hundred times more chulin than the challah or the truma. And as such, all of the mixture must be treated as the trima or the challah. Out of doubt, because you're not sure which part of the mixture is the challah or truma, or because anyway, it's all been mixed together. Now, we learned in the first peric that a madumah is exempt from challah. So let's say the madumah was truma dough mixed with chulin dough. So since we treat the entire mixture as truma, just like truma is exempt from challah, so true, this entire mixture is exempt from challah. So the mixture says if her dough became a maduma, so a little bit of truma fell into the dough, let's say, and it's occurred before she kneaded the dough properly, which means that before the obligation set in, it was a madumah. So therefore, putura shall be exempt from separating challah, since when the obligation set in, it was already a maduma shamaduma. Because a maduma is exempt from khala, as we learned in the first peric. However, if it only became maduma after she kneaded the dough, then even if she has not yet separated the challah, since at the time that the obligation set in, it wasn't a maduma, so it became obligated. So just because it becomes a madhuma later on, that can't remove an obligation of khala. It can stop an obligation coming. But if it already became obligated and then it became maduma, it remains obligated, so it is obligated in.
[00:07:57] Now, there are two reasons why one cannot allow Khalil to become tome. The first reason is because the Torah says you've got to guard the truma. And of course, challah has the same status as truma. But the second reason is that you can't cause a loss to the kohen. And by making it tome, you're causing him to have to burn it. And although he is allowed to benefit from the burning, that's definitely a lower and smaller benefit than had he been able to eat it. Now, the mission says, what happens if no lad lost fake tuma Chile Gilgala? A doubtful tumor arose before she kneaded the dough, kneaded with a K. So we're not sure whether the dough is tome or not the question is, can she allow the dough to now become definitely tome? So if we go through both of the reasons, we'll figure out whether they apply here. So the first reason was that the Torah says you've got to guard the trimmer and you've got to guard the challah. And that also applies to dough, which is obligated in challah. However, this dough is not yet obligated in challah because it hasn't yet been needed. And as a result, you are not obligated to guard the challah from becoming tome, since the challah, the whole concept of challah, doesn't yet exist, since it's not yet obligated. Now, what about causing a loss to the kohen? So this would apply even before it becomes obligated in challah. However, in this case, it's already doubtfully tome. There's already a possibility that it's Tommy. We don't know. Now, if a coin receives challah, which is possibly tome, he's not allowed to eat it. And the truth is he can't even burn it either, because it might be pure. So you'd actually be doing him a favor if you make it definitely tome, because then at least he can burn it. And so the mission says to us of a tumor, it can be processed in a state of tuma, since neither of the two reasons apply over here. However, once it has been needed and the obligation of challah has set in. So now the first reason does apply. Now you do have to guard the challah because the dough is already obligated in challah, and therefore it has to be processed in a state of purity. And this is actually learned from the posse, because when the Torah says you've got to guard the truma, it uses the word trumeisai in the plural, my trumois. And that implies that there are two different types of truma. And the same goes for challah, which need to be guarded. So the first type is truma, which is definitely tohar, and the second type is truma, which is possibly tahar. And that's our case over here. It's possibly tahar, possibly tome. And so the obligation to guard it from tuma still applies, and therefore it has to be processed in a state of purity. Mishnu Gimel. The mission now provides another example of an act whose consequences depend on whether the act was done before the dough is kneaded or after the dough is kneaded. And that act is if she designated her dough to the bit hamikdash to Hekdash. Now we've seen that hekdesh is exempt from all tithes and all of challah as well. But it all depends on whether it was hekdesh at the time that the obligation set in. So if she made it hekdash at before she kneaded the dough, or fada tah, but then she redeemed it, she transferred the kedusha, the sanctity from the dough onto money, and she did that also before she kneaded the dough. So by the time she kneads the dough, the dough is no longer hechtish and therefore it will be obligated in challah. Now what happens if she does it all after she kneaded the dough? So she kneaded the dough, it became obligated, and then Misha Gilgala, after she kneaded it, then she made it Hector shevudata and redeemed it again. So then obviously she's certainly obligated since the obligation set in even before she made it, Hector. And either way she redeemed it afterwards, so it didn't end up as heckdish anyway. But now comes the case where she'll be exempt. Take the shatachila Gilgala. If she made it Hector, she designated to the base hamikdash before she needed it, the gilgalah gizbar and the treasurer, the one who looks after all the finances of the mes Hamikdash, he needed the dough, the akhakha budaton. Then she redeemed it again. She transferred the sanctity of hekdesh from the dough onto money. So the dough becomes regular, unsanctified dough. Nevertheless, it remains patura, the dough remains exempt from because at the time that the obligation set in, she was exempt from separating challah because it belonged to Hekdosh. So even if she redeems it later on, the produce remains exempt.
